Hey Everyone if you haven’t seen Captain America: Winter Soldier yet don’t read this incredibly serious, not at all fan-boyish, really balanced review of Jen and Sam having a super spoilery discussion about the film. Or do.
A quick heads up before you get into our review, Jen and I decided to do a conversation between the two of us about the film instead of a straight review to give you all a peek into how we talk to each other, so we may ramble a bit or fan-boy/girl. We also don’t really hit on some points that might be seen as important, supposed death of Nick Fury and the status change of the MCU. But in the end we hope you enjoy our chat!
Jen: Kay so how did you like the moooovie?
Sam: I’m fairly certain my nerd boner was raging.
Jen: Excellent response. See here’s the thing… I only know marvel through the movies….and the Civil War storyline. So I’m all about Chris Evans as Cap. And also as the man of my dreams.
Sam: I think that might be the best way to go into watching any of the MCU films.
Jen: My BFs little brother loves the comics so I get some of the back-story from him. Which reminds me…Do you know anyone who was surprised by the identity of the winter soldier?
Sam: I don’t personally know anyone, but there was a pretty awesome young teenage girl in the theater that half shouted “holy fuck” when the reveal happened. It made me happy inside.
Jen: Hahahahaha yessss! I legit applauded when an…unnamed lady… Kicked ass and took names. Like actually applauded as an involuntary reaction.
Sam: Yes…an unnamed lady…wait…which unnamed lady? The Nurse?
Jen: No no…The British woman. Lol that’s right there were multiple ladies kickin ass in this movie! I think, besides the whole Cap being beautiful thing, that was my favorite part. This was a weirdly feminist movie.
Sam: There were so many ladies kicking ass in this film. Did you know the brothers that directed the movie were the same guys that directed the first 3 seasons of Community and quite a bit of Arrested Development? Which I don’t know if that lends to the increase in feminism in the film but I thought it was cool.
(Edit note – They won an Emmy for ‘Arrested Development’ and didn’t quite direct that much of ‘Community’, ah hyperbole – Sam)
Jen: Did not know that about the directors. But that is pretty swell. Okay real talk. I don’t know if this says more about me than the movie, but I saw it in IMAX 3d and it almost made me sick The fight scenes were super intense, no?
Sam: I thought the fight scenes were the best in the MCU so far. It was spectacular. The feeling sick, I really don’t know I haven’t heard that complaint so far.
Jen: Like I said. Might have been me…I need new glasses haha.
Sam: But you know what I want to talk about? The goddamn obliteration of the Bechdel test.
Jen: Oh? Yes let’s talk about that.
Sam: The Combo of the focus on Maria Hill, Natasha, and the Nurse, combined with Fury and Sam Wilson.
Jen: Our review is going to be like “Captain America II: A Feminist’s Wet Dream”
Sam: The representation in this movie compared to The Avengers (5 straight white guys and a lady)
Jen: Omg it was equal opportunity screen time all over the place. I have a feeling cap would major approve. I actually noticed the same thing while watching it. It’s fantastic.
Sam: Then you take secondary characters in Cap II, like Agent Sitwell, played by Maximiliano Hernández… It was all over the place, there were no women PoC yet but it’s moving there. Marvel made some huge strides in this movie. All three women kick ass, they all serve the story, and none of them die horribly to spur the male characters to action.
Jen: I think Marvel has been very aware of race bending. I mean the fact that Fury used to be a white dude and now he’s literally Sam L. Is pretty indicative of how aware they are. (feel free to disprove me.)
Sam: That part is a little hard since this version of Nick Fury is based off the ultimate universe version of the character. (Which was drawn as Jackson.) So I think if anything Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Bagley pushed that years before Iron Man.
Jen: **whoosh** (that’s the sound of those names going right over my head) Hm. I have a question that may double as a spoiler… Any thoughts on Bucky taking over as Cap in future films?
Sam: Well if we look at a purely non comics view, it’s most likely going to happen. Besides Avengers 2 Chris Evans is only signed for Avengers 3 and Cap 3. While Sebastian Stan is signed for 7 more films. So the likelihood of it happening from a financial perspective makes sense. Also if you look at the nods towards it in both The First Avenger and The Winter Soldier. (Bucky wielding the shield.) If we are talking comics, it has to happen.
Jen: Right right. I have to say the Bucky in this movie made me super sad.
Jen: I am actually completely jonesing for a Civil War movie. Although it would probably launch a whole phase if they wanted to do it right.
Sam: I don’t think my brain would handle it, I would fall apart. Most likely.
Jen: Now okay. I don’t know about you but I feel like this movie was not properly named. Like yeah we get some winter soldier action… But I feel like a better name would be like……. “Captain America: The Downfall” or something. I sort of wish the winter soldier had been a bigger secret and like the focus had been more on the government reset, I mean, Marvel was pushing it as a political thriller. But that’s just a marketing concern I guess.
Sam: I’m actually going to disagree, I think Winter Soldier was the best name to throw out there. It reintroduced Bucky, and the name threw everyone for a loop. That S.H.I.E.L.D. reveal, that was huge for a lot of people. Something like Downfall could have hinted it was coming, it kept people focused on Cap so they didn’t see the big reveal too early.
Jen: Good point. And I guess at some level it’s like readers of the comics know what’s coming anyhow?
Sam: Exactly, I think they had to balance the story with a need to keep it an actual secret. I guess I’m saying Winter Soldier put people in those seats just so the story could pull the rug out from under them and upend the whole of the MCU power structure.
Jen: Hahaha tru… You’re also talking to someone who watches Empire Strikes Back for the romance…
Jen: W/e I’m a character person. I mean the S.H.I.E.L.D. thing was interesting but to me the real crux of the story was Bucky and I don’t think he got enough screen time.
Sam: I’m going to be honest, I don’t think he was the crux, I think he was the catalyst. I think the focus is Cap AND Natasha, it’s both of them learning how to deal with a world that isn’t what they expected.
Jen: Like I said I feel like we were watching it from different points of view…but I will agree with that much.
Sam: It was really a Cap and Black Widow movie, they could have just as easily called it “Black Widow Finds Out Everything She Believed in Was A Lie.”
Jen: See if Cap and Natasha are the focus then why name it after Bucky? Just because he was the catalyst?
Sam: To answer your question. YES, Winter Soldier as a title sold me on something that I was expecting to see, it then turned it on it’s head. Understand that I’m not saying that Sebastian Stan wasn’t criminally underused (He was) or that it should have focused a little more on THE Winter Soldier (maybe, maybe not.) But what it did do was subvert my expectations in the best way possible. It sold me on Bucky as the crux but it gave us a catalyst to a much stronger MCU, also a much better understanding of both Cap and Black Widow, and to a certain extent Maria Hill, Sam Wilson, and Nick Fury. Two black Characters that bye and bye are nothing alike and not at all parodies. Which in and of itself a huge thing for a movie like this. For comics in general even. lol
Jen: I will accept your explanation, and yes it totally is a big deal for the comics world. I think what we might be straying from is the fact that this movie was incredibly well-made and a fantastic follow up to both The First Avenger and The Avengers. And it’s got us both suuuuuuper excited for whatever comes next.
Sam: That is so incredibly accurate it hurts. It both expanded and solidified the places of multiple people (including ladies and PoC) within the MCU.
Jen: Yes. ALMOST LIKE A MOVIE ABOUT AMERICA OR SOMETHING! I will show myself out.
Sam: *Exit stage left*.
SOME COOL CONCLUSION ABOUT HOW IT WAS GUD AND 5/5 HIGHLY RECOMMEND OR SOMETHING OKAY BAI – Jen
One More Time!
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